Saturday, October 24, 2009

Question #2: Why Does The Psychiatric Community Not Consult US?

After reading all the comments from all of you on my previous post, Why Now?, I got to thinking (scary thing, I know). There is so much insight in every comment it made my head spin. I see me, in every answer. I rarely see that much insight in my sessions and from what many of you post in your own blogs, you are experiencing the same thing.

So, my next question is, why is there not a group or groups of people with DID that are consulted for the purpose of gaining insight to our world that would help with treatment?


fromthesamesky said...

Wow, WHAT a good idea!

Saving Grace said...

I have asked this question about a million times! Of course, you do realize they think we're *crazy* so why would WE know what might work for us!?!

My favorite is that the therapist has so often said, "What do you need right now? Thank you for telling me what you need." blah blah blah - yeah, why bother when you already KNOW what you are going to do and how you're going to react to what I tell you!
Don't bother asking me, if you don't realky CARE what "I" think I need!

Michael Finley said...

I came up with many reasons that this does not happen. I dropped that. I then considered that by healing and working with therapists and writing blogs we are consulting with them.

With your permission. (The comments are moderated feel free to not post) I would like to rephrase the question. What new way is best to let therapist know of the insights that we have about trauma?”

Ivory said...

Thanks, SameSky!!


I had to grit my teeth when I read your part of them saying, "tell me what you need..." Sure, darn it, if I knew what I needed, I could sure as hell fix it. AND, I think we would all be surviving, functioning, and being happier if all of society would stop listening to the bigshots and stop thinking of us as broken, they can stop telling us we are "wrong", too. We are not wrong - we survived. (my soap box is getting bigger!)


I see your point, but we consult only if they read and only if we happen to be discussing a point they are searching for. I feel defeated, but you have a good point, thanks for stopping by.

castorgirl said...

During some points of my healing journey, I've had absolutely no idea what I've needed to keep me going and give me hope. I've been so lost and confused I didn't know what was up or down. At one point the crisis team asked me what they could do for me and I mumbled that I didn't know. My brother was in the room and turned on them, asking what they could do for me. They were a crisis team, they had options and they weren't telling me what those options were.

So sometimes, I grateful for the scraps of information I can get from the professionals. But sometimes, I really want them to listen and look at their own issues that they are bringing into the equation. I say this mainly because I've encountered so many professionals who don't believe in dissociation or any of the dissociative disorders. A professional has to accept that a disorder exists before they will seek any sort of advice on how to help someone with that disorder.

Sorry, I'll try to get off my soapbox now...

I know some professionals do seek that consultation - they listen to their clients, read the research, investigate best practice and go to the conferences where survivors speak. But there isn't enough of that. I wonder if it's because we are such a hidden population in many ways? We have so much trouble having any sort of voice, that a collective voice is difficult to achieve. Not many of us have blogs with our real names attached, so we become an invisible group again...

Sorry, I'm not sure of the answers, but it's an interesting question.

Ivory said...

We are on the same page and you bring up several good points. DID is has been labeled such a shameful disorder that none of us want to be "named". I think that is the barrier between us being able to unite like, say, paraplegic conferences and such. There is so much emotion attached to DID.

I wonder how that can be surmounted.

Kate said...

Hi Ivory,

I do know that among some survivors who are multiple there is a bonding. I know that of some who learn a lot about DID and some who are ritual abuse survivors. They tend to learn an incredible amount about all the issues from the academic side of the issues. I did that for a while and then the perceptions got on my nerves because they seemed so wrong to me and I stopped reading that type of stuff. I do know that there are some multiples and some integrated previous multiples who are involved still and they do have some input, though I don't think enough. I think a big part of it is that many of those that study the subject are not interested in what we have to say, at any time in our healing process. It takes a certain type of researcher to really want to know and when they really want to know and they find the funding, we tell them and they find out.

Good and healing thoughts to you.


Just Be Real said...

Hmmmm....... very good point there Ivory!

Ivory said...


Yes, Academia. I know from my own schooling that the Psychiatric world is run from an "if/then" mindset. Sort of "if this occurs, then this is how it's treated," kind of thing. It must be working, or it wouldn't be that way, BUT: I'm thinking that DID is not the only disorder to wiggle out from under that particular way of thinking. That also proves my point - there is no use in studying what we do, if they don't take the time to ask us why we do it. Great food for thot, Kate.

Thanks, JBR!

jumpinginpuddles said...

because if good ideas came to those who dont beleive in D.I.D then they would ahve to turn about face and doctors simply arent capable of doing that

Ivory said...

Oh, JIP, you are so wise! A lot of hard, good work has already been done. They have developed theories and models, methods for treating DID, but they are missing the point a lot. They are so proud that they won't see it but from a scholarship point of view! Oh how do we turn this around! They need to be open-minded, which they are not; they need to think outside the box, which they refuse to; they need to find people who (this is presumptuous, I know) but they need to find people who are altruistic! Well, what I mean is someone who can be available. I don't know about you but my alters are not "on duty" from 8-5 and no other time. (smiles)

Thanks so much for stopping by! I hope you are having a good weekend.

Michael Finley said...

This post made me think about of the therapists can help people heal. Who do understand they can not understand yet can still help.

I am blown away at what they accomplish, how hard it is and how they do not have the support of most of the mental health field.

Ivory said...


Yes! Another good point, which brings me around to Mr.S. He is one of those therapists. He reminds me sometimes that he cannot possibly understand fully, but I can tell that he intends to understand, he wants to understand and he has helped me a great deal. He can help me, but by himself, he cannot make enough changes within the Psych community to help many other people. I wish there were more like him.

hope said...

Hey Ivory,

I think this is a very important topic to explore. I talked to my psychology professor about if people with DID or any mental illness ever become mental health professonals. His said that people yes, and they help their patients with greater compassion and empathy. Even if the therapist never reveils their diagnosis.

But I do believe that multiples living with DID have alot to offer. I am in my undergrad study right now as I work towards my PhD in clinical psychology. I have very big, more like huge ideas on making a non profit organiztion. I am making a group that multiples educate the professonals rather than the other way around. It's difficult for someone to create a wellness plan for a disorder in which they really have no idea of. You can read textbooks but they are just going to be ridgid and bias.

Don't get me wrong there are a few good therpist who are singletons but I just think that we can teach them better than any textbook could. We are living breathing individuals and we can speak out as advocates for DID and trauma disorders.

Thanks for you thought provoking post. Take Care. Be Well. -Hope

Ivory said...

Hi, Hope!

My T, too, has told me that I would have a lot to offer. He encouraged me to become a therapist. I didn't get into grad school, tho because I wasn't already working in the field. I had to get a job - the rest is history. But my passion for it is strong and I believe we have a great deal to offer, too.

A Non-Profit would be wonderful! I haven't given up on all of us multiples - I have written a book and if I can muster the courage, it will be submitted in a few weeks to publishers. It was not written like all the rest out there, it has insight not yet shared with the public (that I know of).

My T is one of those "singletons" who is very good with me and all of my Colors (alters). I wish he could be spread around to everyone, but then, everyone is different and he may not be the best T for someone else. DID is very diverse and very complicated.

It's people like you who will make a difference. I'm glad you stopped by.

hopefortrauma said...


Congrats on your book, I'm really glad that your using your voice. I'll be really excited to read it. I think you too have something very special to offer the world of psychology! My primary T is a DID therapist. I am so lucky that I have her, but she's really active in world of psychology she's always going to places to speak about DID she educates other therapists about trauma. Sometimes I think she's multiple but I asked her and she said no lol. But I think it's awesome that your T helps you. Multiples are so intelligent bc we had to be smart to survive. People think mental illness only happens to people with low intelligence but that is not the case. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. So keep questioning everything and don't stop until you find an answer that works for you.
It was really good to talk to you.
Take care. Be well.

Michael Finley said...

Three more thoughts.

One: there is a economic issue. A Dr who gives meds and does not heal is a drain on resources and gets paid more the less time they spend with people. Easy to blame the insurance companies that way the issue does not have to be addressed.

Two; a therapist is limited by finical constraints as to how much time they can spend with a client.

Three; I know survivors which I can not imagine anyone wanting to have to treat.

Ivory said...


All three are good points.

I know that insurance companies dictate how many times a person can see a therapist (that they will pay for) and usually the treatment and/or meds is closely scrutinized, which is why I chose NOT to use my insurance company. They don't know me and I like it that way.

I agree that there are a lot of practitioners who are in it for the money, not helping anyone. And, sadly, there are people out there no one wants to see. That's too bad, really.